Location based social networks - are you over it already? It feels like location is all we ever hear about anymore, especially this week leading up to SXSW.
We're excited about location too; see our enthusiastic write-ups What Twitter's Geolocation API Makes Possible and The Era of Location as Platform Has Arrived. But it's getting a little ridiculous. We offer below a few thoughts to consider about all this location madness.
You're going to hear journalists use it far too much. Want to know where it came from? Language sleuth William Safire investigated for the NYT last year and concluded that the phrase was probably first used in a 1926 real estate classified ad in the Chicago Tribune: "Attention salesmen, sales managers: location, location, location, close to Rogers Park." Don't you feel more savvy now?
We're under embargo on almost all of them, but we can tell you there are at least 25 companies making location-related announcements at SXSW this week. Probably more. The Dunbar number of startups in a particular market, if you will, is something like 5. More than that and most people stop taking new entrants seriously. It's one thing to offer different technologies along the value chain of location, but sharing your location and aggregating messages by things like hashtag are two very crowded niches right now. One of my favorites is SitBy.Us, an app that lets you see where your Twitter friends are sitting in a conference session. That's pretty cool.
You've got to wonder if and when Location will Jump the Shark and what consumer exhaustion for it might mean for the long-term prospects of the market. Everyone wants to be "the Twitter of SXSW 2010" but the fact is that SXSW represented a statistically insignificant increase in Twitter usage, historically speaking.
There are loads of ways to post your location but it's very hard to get a feel for who exactly is where. SimpleGeo launched a site called Vicarious.ly today that aggregates check-ins across scads of services, all around Austin. It doesn't work very well, though. SimpleGeo's Matt Galligan told us today that the site is really just a proof of concept and that our perception that these startups aren't playing very nice together is very true. "And it's a real shame," he told us. It's hard for a 3rd party service to clearly identify whether these competing services are really talking about the same location, for example. No one tells their users what users on competing services are up to in the same location. Gowalla's Josh Williams says he doesn't know what the problem is and that Gowalla is very open about user data by open standards.
Update: Galligan pinged us after publication to clarify: "I mostly meant the problem with venue data was because of how awful the *business listings* market is. There's certainly issues with non-connecting venue data but it's a *very* hard problem to solve, so I don't blame them right now. It can, however, be solved in the future."
If you're thinking of going to a place, or you're there and wonder who else is, what you need is a place where you can see who has checked in there across all services. For the place to be at the center of your experience, not the service. Michael Arrington says the new AOL Lifestream lets you track particular locations, but that service only supports Foursquare among location services. What we need is something like that across any and every check-in service. That's the kind of thing that data standards can enable.
Google's Chris Messina told us that the Activity Streams standard has a namespace for "place" and would probably add support for GeoRSS soon, but that so far Google Buzz is the only location service that seems to be supporting it.
Gowalla's API is read-only, meaning that 3rd party apps can't publish check-ins to the service like they can to Foursquare. Gowalla says they are working on it, but they are the underdog already and this isn't helping. AOL's cool new Lifestream product, for example, only supports Foursquare, not Gowalla. That's a real shame. You know what's nice about Gowalla, though? You can see who has checked into a place and when, even if they aren't friends of yours. That's not something that's easy to do with Foursquare at all. It's also much prettier than Foursquare and uses peoples' full names, instead of grade-school-style first names and last initials. Gowalla's API just isn't seeing the adoption that Foursquares is, though. Have you seen Avoidr.org for example? That's pretty funny stuff and it's built on top of Foursquare.
If location based services ever become popular with the mainstream, every urban area might end up looking like the Foursquare map of downtown Austin this weekend. That means services are going to have to come up with creative and interesting new ways to make that data usable day-to-day and not overwhelming.
Likewise, when you think about the future, imagine Facebook being a player in this market, because they are going to be soon. It's possible that Facebook and Twitter could be where all these other services meet-up. Brightkite has different features than BlockChalk but we can see what our friends are doing across any of these apps on Facebook, perhaps. And Facebook is where your mom checks-in, if she's not an early adopter.
Finally, will location tracking be persistent? Loopt right now uses mobile carrier tie-ins to track your location constantly and expose it to a circle of trusted friends. Is that something that all services will enable in the future? Gowalla CEO Josh Williams told us "no way" does he think that will be the dominant model, but Adam Duvander, author of the forthcoming book Mapscripting 101, says he agrees with Loopt: that the value in persistent location tracking will be so compelling that everyone will end up going for it in the end, once proper privacy settings are figured out.
What do you think, do you think persistent location tracking is the future of location based services?
These are some of the things I'm thinking about location this week.
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Nice non-hype/reality check Marshall. Canonical Venue Entities are definitely a big stumbling block right now. Hashceratops is a nice effort by @nihalmehta et al, but you need:
1) Canonical lat/long for the venue
2) Probably canonical *size* as well, to avoid duplicates being created that collide in its "airspace", as well as as fudge factor since geolocation on mobile still has substantial error
3) Canonical venue name
Maybe @foursquare will step up and take the lead in this level of Openness, although it feels more like a Google Maps (or Yahoo, if they were still in the game) endeavor.
"For the place to be at the center of your experience, not the service." That's what will have to happen to make local a useful experience, and "useful" is what will get it mainstream.
As for persistent location tracking, does that mean "where you are is broadcast (to whoever) all the time"? If so, how on earth are the privacy ramifications of that supposed to get "figured out"? Surrendering to your location being known, recorded and able to be summoned later (by whoever) will be the only option if you want to play.
That's a nice reality check post. We at Accuwiz are playing wait and watch until Facebook and Twitter mature their location features and then we might jump into it.
I think that there are many security issues that will prevent widespread adoption of applications that tell the world of your location at all times. While check-ins is the hot topic right now....there are other websites attempting to visualize the hyperlocal scene.
I've created and launched a new web startup - http://www.YourLocalBlog.com
It can best be described as a hyperlocal blogging network where a user can start a free blog or add their existing hyperlocal blog to our blog maps. Users can search for businesses or other bloggers and organizations that are in their hometown.
I believe blogs are still the core element of any good social media marketing strategy for businesses. Location-based applications are currently more focused on personal use...and there is room for more business related applications.
I really liked this post and thought it took a clear view of some of the real-deals versus some of the hype. Exciting times indeed.
Location is the main part of every business. Likes as Business is depend upon location where we can create good business ,where can do good marketing and make more customer.
location is based of every network.
Geo-location is only a small part of knowing where a person "is"
Where am I? I’m at my desk. Would you have got more information out of my co-ordinates or postal address?
Blog post on location here http://post.ly/8nnb
At Penn State Public Broadcasting we are developing the Geospatial Revolution Project, a web-base series about the world of digital mapping and location technologies and how they are changing the way we think, behave, and interact. Check out the trailer at www.geospatialrevolution.psu.edu
Couple of points:
1. Not Playing Nice/Data Standards
We noticed this a while back and are building an ontology to map places from different services.
2. Cross-Service Tracking
I'd go as far to say, cross-service checkins as well.
Looked to buy checkin.fm recently - it's already owned by yellowpages.com!
Is there ANY possible way for web & home based businesses to benefit from the location based social media craze?
I've spent a lot of time in location and I think the Foursquare model is sustainable for a bunch of reasons - namely they have thought about the commercial tie-in up front (uncheck a badge and get a discount, the retailer gets real data on their customers in exchange).
See the post on this at http://l0n.eu/4sqftw
Andrew Grill
@andrewgrill
LondonCalling.mobi
London, UK
The funny thing about the location problem is that it was solved quite a few years ago by the API from Eventful. But, since they're not so cutting edge, and managed by an old school mentality, people either forgot about them or never knew about them. It's sad really, because their API for venues is quite comprehensive and has been around for years. Kudos to Chris Radcliff for being the one who has powered, designed, and maintained that massive (and well formed) API for years.
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