Pageflakes, Netvibes Take on Social Networks: What Chance Do They Have?
Last week the personalized start page Pageflakes announced its latest version, nicknamed Blizzard. It introduces social networking functionality, themes, a slick Ajax UI, and more. What struck me about the new look was how much it reminded me of Facebook, or at least how much it wants to be like Facebook. The same can be said of Netvibes, Pageflakes' main competitor. I wondered: does this mean that Pageflakes and Netvibes are moving away from the 'start page' market (which has intense competition from MyYahoo, Microsoft's Live.com and iGoogle) and more into the social networking / widgets domain currently dominated by MySpace and Facebook? Josh Catone wrote about this trend at the end of May, in a post entitled Who Can Compete with Facebook?. He wrote:
"Both Netvibes and Pageflakes already act as platforms, with sophisticated developers APIs for creating widgets and programs to interact with their users. Both companies allow users to customize their pages, and inject personality into them. Both companies also already encourage users to share their creations (Universes and Pagecasts). Perhaps, the next step beyond sharing should be interaction."
This is precisely what Pageflakes has done in its latest version - created social networking interaction. I'll get back to the bigger question later in this post (which is: can Pageflakes and Netvibes compete with Facebook?), but first let's check out the new features in Pageflakes.
Pageflakes Blizzard
There's no doubt that Pageflakes Blizzard has greatly improved its UI. The big shiny gold menu button on the top-right makes it very easy to add new widgets (a.k.a. flakes) and content to your page. I did notice a few navigation issues - for example adding an RSS feed to your page wasn't as intuitive as before (you need to click 'Browse Flakes' in the menu, then there is a small 'Add RSS feed' option at the bottom; but if you click 'Browse All Flakes' you get taken to a new page which doesn't have the 'Add RSS feed' option?). But these are minor issues, compared to the attractive UI and themes that users get to play with.
To test the new features, I created a new Pagecast called Richard MacManus' Page. This is basically a Pageflakes page featuring some of my favorite feeds and widgets, which I have shared with the world. Another nice feature is that you don't have to start from scratch, but can copy another person's Pagecast. I used Mike Arrington's Pagecast as a template, to create this:
Read/WriteWeb also has a Netvibes Universe, which was custom made for us recently. But to be honest, the Pageflakes one looks more slick.
Competing with Facebook
In both Pageflakes and Netvibes, there are some good widgets to choose from - although it has to be said that Facebook has a much larger selection than both start pages. That's because Facebook has enjoyed a huge amount of third party developer interest in its platform, allowing the 30 million + Facebook users to choose virtually any widget they want. It isn't quite as easy in Pageflakes or Netvibes. For example I wanted to add a last.fm widget to my Pagecast, but there wasn't one. Same for Netvibes. Whereas on Facebook, there are at least 7 last.fm widgets to choose from.
And therein lies the problem for both Pageflakes and Netvibes. To compete with Facebook as a social network, they need to attract third party developers - and quickly.
Pageflakes profiles
The other main feature, other than widgets, which makes a Facebook-like social network is profiles. Here is my profile. My main suggestion to Pageflakes here is to make 'people discovery' easier and related to things like interests and hobbies. Right now it seems you can only add new people by manually clicking through to their profile (via search or clicking on their profile link on their Pagecast etc). Although having said that, when I clicked through to Dan Cohen's (Pageflakes CEO) page, I saw a 'People with similar interests' pane - which wasn't on my page. So perhaps it takes a little bit of browsing around to get that onto your own profile.
Conclusion
Pageflakes has taken the next step from being just a start page, by adding social networking functionality. Netvibes hasn't yet gone that far, but I suspect it's coming soon.
However there's still a lot of work to be done by both start pages to catch up to Facebook or even MySpace - and that's purely down to number of third party widgets and of course number of users on the network. So while I agree with Josh that start pages will challenge the existing social networks - it's almost evolutionary for them to become social networks - it will need a big influx of developers and users before they're truly competitive in that space.
Disclosure: Pageflakes is a R/WW sponsor
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I welcome pageflakes or netvibes to be a facebook apps. that will be very useful for me:)
I think they have enough chances. I look at your poll and I see that "I'm not a Facebook" memember is at 21% and that's quite a lot if you ask me...
If PageFlakes does the right advertising, I see no reason for them to fail. Being a sponsor of R/WW is a great idea, but they could really do more.
For example,I am not convinced to join, because their welcome message is not relevant enough for the purpose of the site and my advantages if I join.
They're different. I use netvibes for aggregating my RSS feeds in a nicer way than Google Reader does.
I don't see Facebook doing this in an intuitive way.... I go to facebook to see what my friends are up to, not read by numerous news sites.
Did you made a search on Netvibes's Ecosytem? There are several Last.fm widgets to add to your page: http://eco.netvibes.com/?q=lastfm&type=module&showall=1&p=1
Also, you can use the "External widget" feature which allows you to copy/past any bit of html code, including Last.FM player.
Almost no chance. As much as I like them...I think the game is over.
Why have the social networks not created start page portals?
It seems pretty clear that it would keep users all day long.
Netvibes and Pageflakes don't serve the same function as Ning.com or other social networks. They are home page organizers to get all your blogs, RSS feeds, to do lists and other goodies set up into neatly tabbed spaces.
I use Netvibes as a front door to my own social network, as well as others. Netvibes and social networks don't compete at all ... rather they complement each other and together accomplish a lot.
For me Netvibes + Ning are a marriage made in heaven, just as Twitter and TinyURL are, too! Web 2.0 is all about stitching together diverse offerings into a sum that is greater than any of its parts. One service alone can't cut it.
Love, love LOVE the new Pageflakes...don't even use Facebook and don't care about it. I'm much more interested in connecting with people around their cool Pagecasts and their obsessions and passions with things that I care about, which is what I think the new Pageflakes features are about. I'm spending hours connecting through threads and networks of people and their 120,000 Pagecasts. Sort of a social network for the brain, as opposed to the loins (not that there is anything wrong with loin networking:-))
"Read/WriteWeb also has a Netvibes Universe, which was custom made for us recently. But to be honest, the Pageflakes one looks more slick."
to be fair, you should use the same flakes/modules in each of your NV Universe/PF pagecasts. If your NV Universe was made for you, then you should have at least made your pagecast as similar possible as the NV universe.
I have a Netvibes and Pageflakes account, but use NV. I think PF has faster loading times than NV, but love NV's "find within module" feature
"Read/WriteWeb also has a Netvibes Universe, which was custom made for us recently. But to be honest, the Pageflakes one looks more slick."
to be fair, you should use the same flakes/modules in each of your NV Universe/PF pagecasts. If your NV Universe was made for you, then you should have at least made your pagecast as similar possible as the NV universe.
I have a Netvibes and Pageflakes account, but use NV. I think PF has faster loading times than NV, but love NV's "find within module" feature