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Thoof: A New Social News Startup

Written by Josh Catone / July 3, 2007 10:55 AM / 10 Comments

Yesterday Richard opined that Digg could use some editors so that if someone submits a story with a nonsensical description or lame title it could be fixed instead of seeing a good story get buried. Thoof, which is a new link sharing and social news site, allows anyone to do just that: edit link titles and descriptions (or add new tags).

Thoof is a very new site, having only come out of a two week private beta at the end of June. Techcrunch reviewed it in mid-June. The site was founded by a handful of former Revver employees, including co-founder Ian Clarke, and the man behind the Apache Wicket web framework upon which Thoof is built.

Thoof is a unique link sharing site that really can't be described in terms of others. It has no categories or voting like Digg, and while it has tags like del.icio.us, it isn't quite a bookmarking site. Thoof relies on a story personalization algorithm to analyze the links you've clicked and attempts to deliver links based on your interests. Thoof gets a lot of things right, but there are also some flaws in the way the site operates, in my opinion.

What Thoof Gets Right

It really couldn't be easier to get started with Thoof. The site doesn't require that users sign up to use it, and lets anyone dive right in and submit or edit links. Signing up allows the site to begin tracking links you click so it can deliver stories it thinks you will enjoy. If you click on a story and later decide you don't like it, you can click the "Not Interesting" link to erase it from Thoof's memory. To edit a submission from someone else, click "Improve" and enter your changes and a reason why you think the title or description should be changed. Changes don't go into effect until enough people vote for them (any Improve link with an asterisk * next to it has pending changes that need to be voted on). One gripe: voting on changes involves checking either "yes" or "no," but there is no submit button and after voting nothing happens to indicate that your vote was recorded.

Though I said Thoof can't really be compared to Digg, it's inevitable that people will do just that since it is at least perceived as a competitor. One thing that always bothered me about Digg was that the main page is always the top technology links, and I really enjoy the politics and science sections as well (yes you can customize your page to track only certain topics, but that requires cutting categories, which isn't a good solution). Getting a mix of links from multiple topic areas based on those I have previously enjoyed, however, is a great idea. It's always difficult to tell if personalization algorithms like the one employed by Thoof really work. You can't sit down and click on every link the site shows you to see if it's really giving you links you care about, for example, since that would end up influencing the algorithm in unrealistic ways. But the idea is nonetheless an attractive one.

What Thoof Gets Wrong

There are a few things that I think Thoof gets wrong. One is that the site relies strictly on tags for categorization. Thoof encourages users when submitting links to use a mixture of broad tags (like "politics" or "technology") and more specialized ones, but I think a set of predefined categories (which could still function as tags) would help a lot in organizing the site. One of the downsides of an automated algorithm is that eventually you are only fed links based on things you already like, rather than being able to stumble onto links in topicsyou never thought you liked. Pre-defined categories would facilitate browsing and make it easier for you to expand your horizons.

One of the things I like about Digg and del.icio.us and other social link sharing sites is that they keep track of links you like. Thoof's "History," unfortunately, only saves the links you've submitted, and not those you've clicked on. So it would seem that eventually links you liked will be lost to the ether -- forcing you to use a separate bookmarking tool if you want to keep a record of them. Then again, Thoof seemed to keep suggesting the same stories to me, which was another minor annoyance.

Thoof also has no way to bury links. I saw a couple of instances of duplicate links being shown to me at the same time, as well as a few pieces of spam. With no way to bury or report this sort of thing, the site could quickly be taken over by opportunistic marketers.

Conclusion

I find myself really wanting to root for Thoof. It's a little rough around the edges, but it has a novel approach to link sharing and social news that I find intriguing. It's a bit like Digg meets Findory with a wiki flavor. Give Thoof a try and then tell us what you think in the comments below.


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  1. Hi, just a bit of feedback:

    A couple of things you didn't get quite right. Your History page should already include both stories you've submitted and stories you have clicked on.

    We will be implementing a feature similar to "bury" in the near future, you can also tag the story with a "Spam" tag, but of course this needs to be documented somewhere.

    We have had some problems with Thoof suggesting the same stories several times, these should have been fixed in a recent update.

    Thoof will aim to show you stuff you like, but it will also throw in a variety of other stories to prevent you getting stuck in a "rut", so you should see a variety of stories no matter how well trained Thoof is.

    We really appreciate the feedback, and hope to implement lots of new features over the coming days and weeks in response to user feedback. If you or your readers have any ideas, please use the feedback link on our About page.

    Posted by: Ian Clarke | July 3, 2007 12:29 PM



  2. Oh, forgot to mention, you raise a good point regarding providing some user feedback on voting, expect this to be fixed before the end of the week.

    We will also add a note to the improve page indicating which special tags you can use to indicate that a story is spam, adult, non-Engish, or a duplicate of another story.

    Since going public last week we've implemented a whole bunch of features requested by users, and we plan to continue being extremely responsive to user suggestions.

    Posted by: Ian Clarke | July 3, 2007 1:03 PM



  3. I recently did an interview with the founder of Thoof. There's a lot of great people behind Thoof and I expect for it to only get better in the months to come. I just love being able to improve upon others' story submissions.

    Posted by: Jared Schwager | July 3, 2007 1:48 PM



  4. Hi Ian,

    Always nice to see a company that's constantly working to improve their service!

    For some reason my history didn't seem to keep track of any links except those I submitted. Perhaps it was a bug on my end (Firefox has been recently deciding to clear my cookies without warning, so maybe I was logged out when I thought I was logged in).

    Posted by: Josh Catone | July 3, 2007 2:01 PM



  5. Hi Josh, well, if you can reproduce the problem please let us know and we will investigate...

    Posted by: Ian Clarke | July 3, 2007 4:36 PM



  6. Great job.

    What you said is what we are doing in the travel community in China.

    We are more focused on the personalized algorithm on recommendating some intresting things in travel sides. On this side, you have more scales to show you things you may like but never know before. But did not have the plan of wiki-like title edit.

    Wish have chance talk more if possible.

    By the way, Josh, in Ruby world, have good algorithms/methods supporting data mining field?

    Posted by: sandra | July 4, 2007 1:39 AM



  7. Hi Josh, We have a website on line named Keegy since 2006 like you describe that thoof has to be. We were working hard on this for a long time. We apreciate yours comments to improve our site and to continue developing the next phases.

    Tks in advance

    Posted by: Mariano Elizari | July 4, 2007 8:31 PM



  8. "Hey did you thoof that yet" ?

    Oh good a sort like Digg thing except not or better. Christ it sounds like you have a lisp.

    I'm not sure what this reveals, either we're running outta names or ideas.

    Posted by: JIm | July 6, 2007 3:53 AM



  9. sounds nice that they would fix title - but some of these titles are written in ways to attract "eyes" - what if editor changes the feel or desire I wanted???

    Posted by: wmedina | July 6, 2007 5:22 PM



  10. Great information and great article! Thanks for the info

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