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Vint Cerf: Despite Its Age, The Internet is Still Filled with Problems

Written by Lidija Davis / February 15, 2009 6:52 PM / 30 Comments

vint_cerf_smx_jan_09.JPGVint Cerf, Vice President and Chief Internet Evangelist for Google and widely recognized as one of the "Fathers of the Internet" last week said that the issues facing the Internet today are as complex as they were pre-Internet.

Speaking at the SMX Conference in Santa Clara, Cerf discussed his concerns about the current state of the Internet and gave us a glimpse into his hopes for its future.

The Inter-cloud: An Extension of the Internet

While companies are competing to make a bigger, better, larger cloud service, fewer people are concerned with the basic mechanics of the inter-cloud and how we ensure that it all works efficiently, reliably, and securely.

"I'm seeing a possibility of inter-cloud problems mirroring the Internet problems we had thirty or forty years ago," Cerf said.

According to Cerf, and many others, inter-cloud communication issues such as formats and protocols, as well as inter or intra-cloud security need to be addressed urgently.

Analogous to the pre-Internet period when Cerf along with Bob Kahn were finding a way of connecting the ARPANET to other independent networks, Cerf points out that today, cloud computing brings similar challenges. "You build these clouds and they know about themselves and they know about their own resources, but they don't know about any other cloud. So the question is: how do you say 'send this information to this cloud over here' if there isn't any way to call it," Cerf asked.

And the challenges don't end with inter-cloud communication. There are other issues to consider, such as security and portability, particularly with financial and health services turning more and more to the cloud. What metadata needs to move with the data in order to protect it?

One of the biggest issues people have with the idea of the cloud is loss of privacy. But, according to Cerf, privacy is relative. "Let's suppose that our medical records are online and we're in a strange city and we have some medical problem and we came to the emergency room. At the moment that you're in the medical room, it's very likely that the last thing on your mind is the privacy of your medical records. And the first thing on your mind is making sure the doctors in that emergency room have every piece of information they could possibly need in order to fix your problem."

The caveat, Cerf explained is the ability to offer "finite time control over access to that information," for instance, giving the emergency room a limit of 24 hour access, while allowing your primary care physician to have longer access.

IPTV and the Future of Advertising

With IPTV, Cerf explained, most people assume streaming is the way of the future, but he's not convinced. "I'm still thinking that as we get higher and higher speed access to the Internet that downloading and playing back might turn out to be just as easy and perhaps more convenient."

Comparing video to audio, Cerf pointed out that you don't listen to music while downloading a song onto your iPod; you store it and play it back whenever you want.

This might in part explain YouTube's recent announcement to test the viability of downloads from the site. Instead of being locked into watching something as it is being transmitted, which is what the classical television model is based on, today, we can store things and play them back; removing that particular binding in the television medium. Today, Cerf said, you can "shift time."

But he also explored another possibility. Television advertising of old is invasive, and the tactics are stale. Commercial breaks are inserted into key moments of television in the hope of keeping the viewer from changing channels, a tactic he considers annoying.

"What Google has learned about advertising is that people don't treat information as annoying advertising if they're actually interested in the information," Cerf said.

"In the search engine world we offer advertising information which users can select if they want to - or not - and we don't charge the advertisers unless somebody actually selects to look at it. We have given control of advertising back to the consumer so why not do that in the video world as well."

Using an example he warns may not be "technically sensible right now" Cerf discussed the possibility of a smarter, more consumer and advertiser friendly form of product placement.

"What would happen if we can sensitize an image so that if you were interested in it, you could click on it?" he asked. Taking this theoretical idea further, he continued: "Maybe stop the video entertainment at that point; a window opens up and says: "Hi I see that you're interested in this little Macintosh that's in the field of view; that's the MacBook Pro. Oh, I see you're online right now, there is an Apple store which is six blocks away that has six of these in inventory; would you like to buy this one right here?"

Dealing with the 'Bit Rot' Problem

"It's conceivable that all the bits that are pouring into the Internet will eventually become rotten in the sense that the application that was needed to interpret the bits is no longer available," Cerf warns of growing problem he's taken to calling "bit rot."

With the enormous growth of user generated content appearing on the Internet, and the variety of formats used when uploading content to the Internet, Cerf believes that there is a real need to determine a strategy for preserving the ability to interpret the digital information that we are currently accumulating for future generations.

"Imagine it's the year 3000 and you've just done a Google search and you turn up a 1997 PowerPoint file, and you're running Windows 3000," Cerf explained, "The question is, does it know how to interpret the PowerPoint file? The answer is probably no."

In order to preserve this information according to Cerf, we need to find ways of preserving application software, operating systems and even potentially the emulation of the hardware so the application knows how to interpret this.

"I visited the library of Alexandria in January this year in Egypt," Cerf said, "and inside that library are manuscripts that are over a thousand years old; they are still fully accessible."

"If we don't do the same [ensure data is accessible in the future], what will our descendants wonder about us and the 21 century? We'll just be a big pile of rotten bits to them."

As this article only covers a very small part of the discussion, we'll provide a link to the video as soon as it is available from SMX.


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  1. would be more than interesting to watch the video. This guy is brilliant.

    Posted by: Ken the tech | February 15, 2009 9:14 PM



  2. Interesting, I just wrote about web 3.0 on my blog where I talked about data privacy etc. Funny coincident.

    Vint has a solid point but I would be more worried about how these clouds are going to last when times change. He makes example out of old books but there's a difference. Books are always in physical form and they exist as long as nobody decides to destroy them. But with clouds that are owned by company, well they will last as long as the company lasts.

    Posted by: Olivar Kamprojo Author Profile Page Posted on FriendFeed   | February 15, 2009 11:03 PM



  3. As it is, we don't have much control over privacy. There is always a big brother looking over our shoulders in the online world, not that it is all bad, as some form of censorship and regulation is needed.

    Posted by: ImageLuv | February 16, 2009 5:50 AM



  4. While Facebook and LinkedIn pay lip-service to increasing default security and privacy settings, stricter measures would only stunt site growth. Don’t expect policies to change any time soon. Unfortunately, most users surrender control of their personal information without knowledge or consideration. Today, it is incumbent upon the individual to protect themselves.

    Online Networking has reached epidemic proportions. I’m on Facebook for social networking, LinkedIn for business networking, and Sparkbliss for romantic networking. There are things I like and things I don’t, but what matters most to me is privacy.

    With Facebook, the proposition is join or seem aloof. Given its pervasive nature, forget about your privacy. When my friend Calvin asked if he should join Facebook, I put it this way “it depends if you want to fill up your inbox and then allocate the time to respond.” I added “expect everyone you have ever known from childhood to today to want to be friends and then ask you to join this, vote on this, attend this, play this, and so on.” He was deterred for now, but will succumb. Personally, I avoid being sucked into its online vortex. My approach is to log in about once a week, blindly accept friend invites from anybody and ignore everything else.

    LinkedIn offers an extremely productive tool for professional networking; it makes sense for anybody in any kind of business. I use my profile as a virtual public resume; I knowingly relinquish my privacy. However, I manage my account and maintain its content with great discretion. Instead of universally accepting every connection request, I qualify each one. The site offers powerful internal search capabilities and externally your profile is easily found by Google. The downside being savvy sales people will use this vast database to find you and sell you.

    While Sparkbliss is similar, it is focused upon romantic recommendations through your private network. You control who see your personal information; trusted friends and family screen for eligibility and make introductions. It is unique by its architecture, which places priority upon personal security and privacy. For example, a Sparkbliss profile can not be searched on the site internally or found externally by Google. This is an excellent alternative for people such as teachers who would rather avoid disclosing personal information on on the public Internet.

    Posted by: joelmblatt | February 16, 2009 9:44 AM



  5. Hey, give it time to grow, mature. Hell, I didn't even get a real job until I was 27...

    Posted by: HeyHey | February 16, 2009 7:39 PM



  6. You have to admit the oldster does raise some valid points!

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    Posted by: John Jones | February 16, 2009 7:41 PM



  7. Vint's for some content are a bit unwarranted, with increasing storage and a boat load of piracy, you can easily duplicate source works/documents. While those manuscripts in the library of alexandria are over 1000 years old, you can copy and translate older documents to new formats damn near instantly today. Look at all the work that has been done to digitize books and optical character recognition.

    I think what Vint should be worried about is DRM and the locking down of hardware by intellectual property nutbar's, they are going to make the preservation of digital works impossible due to copyrights never ending and corrupting intellectual property law.

    The private sector is the biggest threat to lack of interoperability with it's obsession by trying to license or lease everything they produce so the user never own it.


    Posted by: Vin Carlos | February 17, 2009 5:07 AM



  8. The Library of Alexandria in Egypt was burned down centuries ago.

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  9. thanks.

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  10. The Library of Alexandria in Egypt was burned down centuries ago..

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  11. You have to admit the oldster does raise some valid points!!

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