Social Web - ReadWriteWeb http://www.readwriteweb.com/feeds/search/Social Web en Copyright 2010 Richard MacManus readwriteweb@gmail.com Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:00:00 -0800 http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/?v=4.23-en http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss JustMeans - A Social Media Starting Point for Businesses Businesses strive to find the best avenues to connect with their audience. Today, social media is one of those avenues that not many companies are pursuing. Social media can be a platform that's associated with many risks for these companies.JustMeans is a social media platform that aims to change all of that.

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Introducing Social Media To Businesses

If this were a course, JustMeans would be the teacher of social media for businesses. JustMeans provides a way for businesses to use various tools associated with social media from blogging to podcasting with ease. To make businesses feel comfortable in early adopter territory, traditional medias such as press releases are also provided. With these tools, users, or "stakeholders", can easily engage with businesses on JustMeans via the company's profile.

Social Responsibility

JustMeans rides the economic "green wave" of corporate social responsibility. This is also one of the key focuses of the JustMeans site and the businesses that engage with it. Businesses can post about the "social responsibilities" that they are upholding to keep users and fans of a businesses network up-to-date on their goals and outreach programs. The site includes a forum for businesses and consumers to collectively brainstorm about ideas for change. This way, users are actually heard, while companies can receive better feedback about what they can do better.

Connecting For A Collective Change

JustMeans is a great platform for connecting businesses that are socially responsible with users that appreciate being informed not only about a company's ethics, but what a company is doing to insure that they are upholding the standards they've set and obligations they've committed to from a social standpoint. JustMeans is not only a network to help introduce businesses to social media, but a platform for collective social change.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/justmeans_a_social_media_start.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/justmeans_a_social_media_start.php Social Networks Thu, 29 May 2008 19:55:00 -0800 Corvida
Hitwise: MySpace Takes 3/4ths of US Social Network Traffic According to web measurement firm Hitwise, MySpace commands 73.82% of all social networking traffic. The data comes from Hitwise's special social networking category, which tracks US traffic 57 leading social networks. MySpace took nearly 74% of all traffic to those sites in April, with Facebook second at 14.8% and MyYearBook third with 1.33%. Overall, social networking traffic is down 16% year-over-year.

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]]> Compared to April of 2007, MySpace has seen traffic decline 5%, while Facebook has seen a 32% bump. Even so, MySpace still controls the lion's share of social network visits in the US. General social networking in the US is clearly a two horse race, and MySpace is ahead by a couple of furlongs.

Hitwise also noted that MySpace has seen an increase of 73% year-over-year in average time spent. So while they may be losing a small amount of total social networking traffic to Facebook, MySpace is better engaging the visitors it has retained. Interestingly, competing web metrics firm Compete paints a different picture, suggesting that year-over-year average stay has fallen 9.9%. Differences in how each stat is measured could explain the dissimilar results, however, though they are strikingly different.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/hitwise_social_network_traffic_apr08.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/hitwise_social_network_traffic_apr08.php Social Networks Tue, 06 May 2008 15:02:07 -0800 Josh Catone
Report: Social Media Challenging Traditional Media Universal McCann has released a new report on the impact of social media (such as blogs, social networks, online video) on the media landscape. It surveyed 17,000 Internet users worldwide in March 2008. The report found that social media, in particular blogs, are "becoming a more important part of global media consumption for internet users than some traditional media channels." The report also found that social media is a global phenomenon (29 countries were surveyed), although there are cultural differences in how people use it.

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]]> The report states that "video clips, blogs, podcasts, social networks and RSS are all essential components of the online media diet." Here are some of the key findings:

- 83% watch video clips, up from 62% in the last study in June 2007
- 78% read blogs, up from 66%
- 57% of internet users are now members of a social network
- RSS consumption is growing rapidly up from 15% to 39%
- Podcasts are now mainstream digital content, listened to by 48%

Social networks have been "a key driver for the growth of social media":

- 22% of social network users have installed a widget or applications
- 55% have shared photos
- 22% have shared their videos
- 31% have started a blog
- The world’s biggest social network is MySpace with 32% weekly reach followed by Facebook on 23%

The report also states that social media is a global phenomenon:

- Top markets for blogging – China 70% of internet users write a blog, Philippines 66% and Mexico 60%
- Top markets for social networking – Philippines 83%, Hungary 76% and Poland 76%
- China is the world's largest blogging market with 42m bloggers versus 26m in the US

Those last stats will be an eye opener for many, because the US web tech market gets most of the attention of the blogosphere and mainstream media. But with China having 42m bloggers compared to the US's 26m, there is large scope for social media to flourish there - even despite China's political issues with social media.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/report_social_media_challenging_traditional_media.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/report_social_media_challenging_traditional_media.php Trends Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:23:15 -0800 Richard MacManus
Cartoon: It's a Big Ol' Blogosphere Ever have that moment when you wonder if what you're about to post will alienate you from the rest of the online world forever?

I get that sometimes, which says a lot more about my own insecurities and the extent to which the social Web replicates the social dynamics of high school than it does about any real risk. My social network includes some very forgiving, open-minded people... and the online world is much, much bigger than anything I've tapped into so far.

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]]> When I think of, say, the Vancouver social media scene, I think of people I know: family, friends, colleagues, clients, dev partners and the like. And yet that's a tiny percentage of my neighbors who are engaged in social media.

Just an example: when I look through the list of the top 100 Vancouver Twitterers by number of followers, I don't recognize the vast majority of names. That tells me that a big conversation is going on (or a lot of small conversations) that I'm not a part of.

Which is cool. It's a big ol' blogosphere, and I can't possibly hope to keep tabs on any more than my small corner of it.

It's also a handy reminder to avoid the temptation of generalizing about the social Web from our own experience if it. For any of us who wants to understand how the Web and the way we use it are evolving and make some intelligent guesses about the future of social media, breaking out of our comfortable little circles and exploring a little is critical.

More Noise to Signal.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/cartoon_its_a_big_ol_blogosphere.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/cartoon_its_a_big_ol_blogosphere.php Cartoons Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:28:58 -0800 Rob Cottingham
Social Network Quechup Accused of Spamming Lately I've been getting invites to a new social network called Quechup. I'm already a member of too many social networks, so to be honest I've ignored these requests. But it seems Quechup has been automatically sending out invites, without the knowledge or consent of the people signing up. I got this email today from someone I know:

Title: Please ignore any Quechup.com Invites - It's a spam engine

Message: I am writing this with profound embarrassment.

I was recently tricked by a spam engine posing as a new social network. I got an invite from someone I knew and trusted, signed up to see what was about. Two days later, Quechup sent out SPAM to my entire address book.

Please ignore or delete all emails claiming to be from me that mention a site called Quechup.com.

Please also accept my apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

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I won't mention the name of the person who sent this message, because it isn't their fault. Clearly Quechup has broken the golden rule of social networks and abused the trust of their users. Quechup's tagline is "the social networking platform sweeping the globe" - however it seems to be doing that via an email spam campaign.

Our recommendation: stay away from Quechup. You may also adopt my own current rule and not sign up to new social networks unless there's a clear - and new, unique - benefit to you. After all, how many social networks do you need?

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/quechup_social_network_accused_of_spamming.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/quechup_social_network_accused_of_spamming.php News Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:17:15 -0800 Richard MacManus
Study: 93 Percent of Americans Want Companies to Have Presence on Social Media Sites cone_logo.pngAccording to the 2008 Cone Business in Social Media Study, 93% of Americans believe that a company should have a presence on social media sites and 85 percent believe that these companies should use these services to interact with consumers. Cone, a Boston-based consulting firm, also found that men are far more likely to interact with a company through social media than women are. 56% of consumers believe that a company is providing them with a better service by interacting with them on social media sites.

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]]> The numbers in this study are bit higher than those we have seen before (we assume that Cone uses a relatively broad definition of 'social media'), though the general trends do fall in line with the latest data from Universal McCann we wrote about last week.

As Michael Chin points out on the KickApps blog, social media first changed how we interacted with friends, family, and customers. Now, as consumers are getting more familiar with these tools, they also expect them to be a way to interact with companies - and based on this data from Cone, they want this to be a two-way conversation.

Here are some other interesting data points from the study:

  • 60% of Americans regularly interact with companies on a social media site
  • 43% of consumers say that companies should use social networks to solve the consumers' problems
  • 41% believe that companies should use social media tools to solicit feedback on products and services
  • Men are more likely to use social media tools to interact with a company than women (33% vs. 17%)
  • 33% of younger consumers (18-34) and those with household incomes over $75,000 believe that companies should try to market to them through social networks

It would be nice to see Cone break these numbers down a bit more. What types of social media sites, for example, do users prefer? Are there any specific categories of companies and brands that they want to see on these sites? How exactly do they want to be marketed to? What do they think about implications for their privacy?

What is clear, however, is that social media is quickly becoming an important means for companies to reach consumers - and that consumer are also quickly changing their expectations about how, when, and where they want to be marketed to. As more users are embracing social media (and often to the detriment of traditional media), companies have no choice but to follow them.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/study_social_media_presence.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/study_social_media_presence.php News Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:01:39 -0800 Frederic Lardinois
And The Top Mobile Social Networks Are... MySpace and Facebook, as it turns out. Despite the land grab by numerous startups looking to become the number one social network for mobile devices, it's becoming apparent that mobile social networking isn't necessarily going to be the new frontier that everyone thought it would be. Instead, as consumers surf the "real internet" on their mobile devices, they're also interacting with "real" social networks like MySpace and Facebook. Could it be that consumers don't want new and separate social networks just for the mobile phone?

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]]> According to new data released on Monday from ABI Research, nearly half of social networking users (46%) have visited a social network on a mobile device. Out of those users, 70% have visited MySpace and 67% have visited Facebook. No other social network, including those specialized for mobile devices, even reached 15% adoption. Based on these numbers, ABI Research concludes that consumers do not want new social networks for mobile phones - they just want to interact with the social networks where they're already members.

This is further supported by data about what consumers do when mobile social networking. Checking for both comments and messages from their friends register above 50% for mobile social network users and 45% of users post status updates. In other words, they're doing the same sort of things on their phone as they would do if at their computer. The phone is just an extension of their online social networking life, not a separate and different platform for new types of interactions.

The survey, which was conducted 2Q, 2008, interviewed 500 users of online social networks. Out of those users, only 1% had visited a social network on their phone only. A mobile social network, for example, would be phone-only. Yikes. That number is low.

So Where Does This Leave Mobile Social Networks?

At first glance, we have to admit, these numbers don't look promising for mobile social networks. Although it's possible that some of these social networks will stick around thanks to strong and supportive niche audiences, it doesn't look like any today are poised for mainstream success.

Then again, it could just be too soon to tell. Given how long it takes for mainstream users to discover any new technology, it may be just a matter of time before mobile social networking really takes off. With the recent explosion of new touchscreen smart phones (iPhone, Android, , HTC Dream, Instinct, LG Dare, etc.) designed with web surfing in mind, mobile social networking could still be right around the corner.

It all comes down to whether or not consumers are ever going to really be interested in the features that are unique to mobile social networks such as geolocating your friends or finding other users near you. Will these features alone be enough of a draw for users to adopt a third (or fourth, fifth, etc.) social network just for when they're on the go? Even if that occurred and a mobile social network began to pick up some steam, all MySpace or Facebook would have to do to compete is add geolocation to their mobile app to once again reign supreme. And we're beginning to think that's a far more likely scenario.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_top_mobile_social_networks_myspace_and_facebook.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_top_mobile_social_networks_myspace_and_facebook.php Mobile Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:09:25 -0800 Sarah Perez
Chris Heuer on Transparency, Streams, and Social Media Camp During Internet Week NY 2009, Social Media Club co-founder, Chris Heuer, took a few minutes to chat with us about Social Media Camp, transparency, and streams.

His thoughts might surprise you. Is the firehose of social data further killing our attention spans? Are drunken Facebook party pictures necessarily a bad thing? How do n00bs help refresh the echo chamber? Spend eight minutes of your life with one of social media's friendliest thought leaders; you're guaranteed to hear something new.

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Heuer's Social Media Camp is taking place today at the Roger Smith Hotel, a highly social media-friendly venue in Manhattan. They're famous in the bacon-obsessed tech scene for their daily bacon happy hours.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/chris_heuer_on_transparency_streams_and_social_med.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/chris_heuer_on_transparency_streams_and_social_med.php Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:30:45 -0800 Jolie O'Dell
AltSearchEngines at the Search Marketing Expo: Social Media For the past two days, AltSearchEngines editor Charles Knight has been attending the Search Marketing Expo: Social Media conference in New York City. He's been live blogging every session from the conference and there is some really great stuff in his notes, all of which have been posted to the ASE blog. Definitely don't miss any of his excellent and all inclusive coverage:

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/altsearchengines_search_marketing_expo.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/altsearchengines_search_marketing_expo.php Search Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:47:08 -0800 Josh Catone
Is It Time To Retire the 'Social Graph?' Yesterday, when talking with Richard and Marshall about Google's plans to open up many of their services that deal with personal and social information, I made this remark: "Also, as an aside, I'd like to express my severe dislike for the term 'social graph.'"

I first remember hearing about the term "social graph" in May while Mark Zuckerberg was on stage announcing the Facebook Platform. That probably wasn't the first time the term was used, but it seems to be the time it entered our collective conscience and started being used with more regularity. At the time, I remember thinking to myself, "wait, what's a social graph?" It seems I wasn't alone in my confusion. The social graph is a reference to graph theory, which in general, if I understand correctly, models connections between things. There's really nothing wrong with this term, but it's math or computer science phraseology and doesn't do very well as a marketing term, in my opinion.

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]]> As Dave Winer points out in a post yesterday, most instances of the term "social graph" floating around the web since May are interchangeable with the term "social network" -- they mean more or less the same thing:

"Now if you showed that diagram to most educated people, they probably would call it a network, and before we talked about social graphs we called them social networks, and you know what -- they're exactly the same thing, and social network is a much less confusing term, so why don't we just stick with it? (Answer: we should, imho.) So if you don't want to sound like an idiot, call a social graph a social network and stand up for your right to understand technology, and make the techies actually do some useful stuff instead of making simple stuff sound complicated." -- Dave Winer

Not everyone agrees with Winer. Robert Scoble posted a response today in which he says that your social network is who you know, while your social graph is who you're connected to based on interests, location, work, etc. "The Social Graph is NOT my social network," Scoble writes. "My Social Network is my friends list. But the Social Graph shows a LOT more than that."

Scoble might be right. Or Winer might be. But semantic arguments aside, I think the first commenter on Scoble's post sums it up nicely:

"When I first heard the term social graph my thought was 'what now?', graph did not resonate at all. It still doesn’t." -- PXLated

Everyone already understood what a social network was -- it's a term we've been using for years. Everyone knows about networking. When you go schmooze with your peers at a party you're networking, not graphing. Most people don't get "social graph" the way they do "social network."

As Tom Morris, a commenter on Nick Carr's post on the debate says, "The fact is that the phrase 'social network data' describes everything that 'social graph' does without having to explain graph theory to those who don't understand it." Yes! Social graph may be a valuable way to talk about this stuff with mathematicians, but it is still a poor choice as a marketing term. I think it's time we retire it (at least in anything that isn't targeted toward computer scientists) and return to saying social network. How about it?

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is_it_time_to_retire_the_social_graph.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is_it_time_to_retire_the_social_graph.php Analysis Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:42:42 -0800 Josh Catone
Tip: Gmail Can Be a Social Network Aggregator So we remain split on whether to call it a "social graph," but one thing I think we can all agree on, is that many of us are suffering from social network overload. Facebook, and MySpace, and LinkedIn, and Twitter, and Digg, and del.icio.us, and... oh my. We each only have so much attention to give and it can be hard to keep up with all our of social networking -- especially when our network of friends is spread across a number of duplicate services.

Blogger and PR guy Steve Rubel has a solution: use Gmail. In a post yesterday Steve outlined how to turn Gmail into what he calls a "Social Network Hub" which aggregates activity from friends across multiple networks and even lets him post status messages via email.

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]]> Steve focuses on Gmail and Facebook in his post but writes that his tips will generally work with any social network that provides alerts via RSS, SMS, or email, and with basically any email service. He goes over how to receive status updates from Twitter and Facebook via email, how to post status updates via email, how to use filters to create individual records for each of your friends, and even how to weed out your best friends from all the noise.

These are good tips and a nice way to organize much of your social networking activity around a single hub that you already use. Do you have any tips for cutting through the social network overload? Leave your ideas in the comments below.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/gmail_can_be_a_social_network_aggregator.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/gmail_can_be_a_social_network_aggregator.php Social Networks Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:05:43 -0800 Josh Catone
Forrester: Social Technology is Like Sex Forrester Research CEO, George Colony, writes a blog where he helps other CEOs understand how business and technology intersect. His most recent post compared social media to sex, a comparison that may have you giggling at first, but is actually a pretty apt way of describing what it's like to delve into the social realm.

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]]> According to Colony, you can't understand the hot new media tools and technologies like Twitter, Facebook, and blogging by merely reading articles or reports about them. You simply won't be able to really and truly learn what they're all about until you participate. That's why social media is "like sex," he says. "It's fun to talk about and read about, but you can't truly comprehend unless you do it."

We suppose he could have used other comparisons, but none would have the impact of comparing the technology to sex. It's true, though. In fact, we'll even expand on that thought a bit. For example, at first, Twittering your thoughts may feel awkward and strange. It might even be a little uncomfortable. But give yourself time to get comfortable with the process and next thing you know, you'll be Twittering away, enjoying yourself in the process. In fact, you might even get to the point of craving Twitter. How many Twitter addicts out there have seen or heard something interesting and their first thought was "Oh man, I have to Twitter that!" (Our hands are raised.)

But the overall point of Colony's blog post was that you won't and you can't get social media unless you engage in it. That seems pretty straightforward to us, but you'd be surprised how many people think they're experts in the matter, despite having an abandoned Twitter account...or worse, none at all. And then there are the companies rejecting social media because "it's just not right for them" - a decision they've made without even so much as a few weeks of experimentation. How sad. Just remember Mr. or Ms. CEO, you may find social media a boring waste of time, but you'd better believe that your customers are out there using it everyday. Ignore it at your peril.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/forrester_social_technology_is_like_sex.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/forrester_social_technology_is_like_sex.php Trends Fri, 08 May 2009 09:30:35 -0800 Sarah Perez
Blonde 2.0 on Social Media for Businesses and Brands Ayelet Noff, a.k.a. Blonde 2.0, has been a well-regarded, world-traveling social media strategist for more than ten years and is part of Chris Heuer's AdHocnium unagency, as well. While attending Social Media Camp 2009 in New York City, she took some time to talk with us about the mistakes and misunderstandings she's seen countless brands encounter when working with social media.

"Companies in general don't value social media marketing as much as they should," said Noff. "They're afraid of it; they don't understand it; and therefore, they just don't do it. Yet it's the most cost-efficient way of marketing there is."

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We also talked to Noff about the infinite measurement possibilities inherent in social media and the kinds of tools marketers should be using to optimize their online campaigns. She also spoke about the occasional difficulty of measuring specific conversion metrics for social media marketing campaigns, and she gave a good word to consultants in the social space.

In light of recent comments on video posts and out of respect for Ms. Noff, commenters are particularly requested to omit the words "hot" and "chick" and other terms of that general timbre from their musings below. Thanks for doing your part to keep ReadWriteWeb classy.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/blonde_20_on_social_media_for_businesses_and_brand.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/blonde_20_on_social_media_for_businesses_and_brand.php Social Web Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:33:14 -0800 Jolie O'Dell
'Breathe Social': The New Rules of Relationship Management altimeter logoDespite the proverbial "the customer is always right," the relationship between the customer and the company has long been organized for the benefit of the latter. But the ability for companies to completely control this relationship has disappeared.

Social CRM: The New Rules of Relationship Management, a report from the Altimeter Group released earlier this month, serves to help companies and organizations understand the changing territory. The report offers a thorough framework with which companies can strategize their adoption of social CRM projects.

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socialcrm.jpgThe report rates each use case by its market demand and tech maturity, indiced to help organizations see which might be the most expedient and appropriate entry points for their social CRM endeavors. It also lists vendors to watch, pointing out that there is currently no single tool to help organizations track customer data and customer conversations in a world of rapidly changing social technologies.

The report has six recommendations for organizations: Breathe social. Complement existing CRM processes. Measure social CRM projects on business goals rather than solely on engagement. Be prepared for rapid change. Find other social CRM pioneers.

The most important, perhaps: Act now. The report cautions companies against falling even further out of step with customers by not engaging with social technologies to expand their CRM processes. Well-researched and with clear definitions, the report could also help companies avoid undertaking social CRM projects merely for the buzz.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/breath_social_the_new_rules_of_relationship_management.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/breath_social_the_new_rules_of_relationship_management.php Social Networks Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:00:00 -0800 Audrey Watters
Google Opens Social Search to All; Cuts Facebook Off at the Pass Last fall Google began experimenting with a new feature called Social Search, and we called it a big chess move against Facebook. Today Google Social Search is opening up in beta for all Google users. The experimental feature will surface search results from the social streams (bookmarks, blog posts, photos, etc.) of a user's contacts on services like Gmail, Google Reader or Twitter.

Social Search still doesn't have a super-prominent place in the Google Search results pages, but make no mistake: This is a very big step. What's your portal to the Internet: Google's algorithmic search of the Web at large, or your social circle of people on Facebook? That's the battle for the future that Google and Facebook are waging now, and Google Social Search is a big move. Facebook search is nowhere near as good.

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]]> You may need to go to Google.com/experimental to turn on Social Search and you should try an image search once you have. It will be turned on by default for an increasing number of users over the next few days. The feature requires you to be logged in and discovers your friend connections through your Google Profile.

Last week we wrote about how social networking is fast approaching the importance of online of search in terms of Web traffic. One vision of the future, though, has posited that social and search won't remain separate forever.

Do you want to have your questions answered only via your friends and their online content? No, probably not. But do you want to have your questions answered without the input of your friends and their trusted content? You probably don't want that either. Google Social Search is a nice combination of search and social. Facebook's search is terribly weak in comparison. That's where the real competition is, not between Google and Bing or Yahoo.

One interesting caveat, of course, is that most people have friend networks on Facebook, not in Gmail or Google Reader. Your Facebook Friends aren't included in Google Social Search, as far as we can tell. Update: Limited information from Facebook may be included in Google Social Search if your friends have associated their Facebook profiles with Google Profiles. But after chasing the Google Social Search team around on the phone for 15 minutes and just getting a PR-answer about this, we're left to conclude that the rivalry is as heated as we originally reported. Murali Viswanathan, Social Search product manager sent this by email: "If someone links to their Facebook account from their Google profile, Social Search may surface that user's public profile page. These are the same public profile pages already available on a search of Google.com and other search engines today."

Give it a try and let us know what you think.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_opens_social_search_to_all_cuts_facebook_of.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_opens_social_search_to_all_cuts_facebook_of.php News Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:57:00 -0800 Marshall Kirkpatrick