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    <title>Design for Startups: The Aesthetics of Web Apps in 6 Questions</title>
    <summary>Think twice about that huge font and those glassy icons: Look and feel is the first thing we see and notice about most web apps and is often critical to an app&apos;s user experience, adoption, and ultimate success. tweetmeme_url = &apos;http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/2009/09/design-for-startups-the-aesthe.php&apos;; tweetmeme_source = &apos;rww&apos;; We chatted with a panel of expert aesthetes in the space,...</summary>
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      <name>Jolie O&apos;Dell</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design.jpg">Think twice about that huge font and those glassy icons: Look and feel is the first thing we see and notice about most web apps and is often critical to an app's user experience, adoption, and ultimate success.</p>

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<p>We chatted with a panel of expert aesthetes in the space, including <a href="http://playspymaster.com">Spymaster</a> designer <a href="http://socialuxe.com">Eston Bond</a>, veteran creative director <a href="http://www.richbarrettdesign.com/">Rich Barrett</a>, designer/developer <a href="http://www.transfusionmedia.com">Warren Benedetto</a>, <a href="http://flyosity.com/">Mike Rundle</a> of <a href="http://9rules.com">9rules</a> and <a href="http://beakapp.com">Beak</a> fame, and the Paul du Coudray <a href="http://lowdownapp.com/">Lowdown</a>, the <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/2009/09/rails-rumble-micro-app-competi.php">winner</a> of this year's <a href="http://r09.railsrumble.com/">Rails Rumble</a> appearance category. Here's what they had to say about developers doing double duty as designers, trends they'd like to see disappear, and how aesthetics can help a startup sink or swim.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>Is a web app's look and feel critical to its overall success or failure?</h2>

<p>"As a designer, I'd love to say it's the most important element," said Benedetto. "Unfortunately, my experience is that the look and feel is often inessential, to the point of being irrelevant. Some of the most successful things I have worked on, in terms of traffic and conversions, have been successful almost in spite of the design, rather than because of the design.</p>

<p>"If you have a great app that is easy and intuitive to use, it doesn't really matter what it looks like (e.g., Craigslist, Del.icio.us, Google, 37signals' products, the original Twitter design, even Amazon and eBay). By the same token, a great-looking app with poor usability will generally not fly very far. Quality trumps aesthetics every time."</p>

<p>"Execution is everything... and presentation is most likely half of that," said du Coudray. "I used to downplay the role of visual identity in the overall success of an application. It wasn't until I started to design directly within applications that I could respect the balance between designer, architect, and builder, and be able to tell when something was essential (or not), or supportive of core objectives."</p>

<p>For certain apps, said Bond, design is everything. "When I was working on the initial specifications for Spymaster, for example, aesthetics <em>really</em> mattered. In an escapist fantasy, one needs to have the world feel completely immersive, as close to the edge of reality as possible... In entertainment cases you have to pay attention to look and feel to a deeper degree than you do a corporate or heavily-functional application such as Google. One doesn't really care what the Google box looks like as long as you get your search results back as soon as possible." He went on to cite Craigslist as another "ugly" site that does well based on its content rather than its aesthetic.</p>

<p>Another perspective is Rundle's contention. "A web application's overall look and feel plays a very critical role mainly through two main factors: early adopters love beautifully-designed applications and that gets them talking. Secondly, ease of use and quality interface design go hand in hand to attract new customers and users. If the interface is not intuitive then they'll be frustrated and give up (and tell all their friends.)"</p>

<p>A similar sentiment was Barrett's opinion. "There are rare cases where an app's mind-blowing functionality can override any other concerns but otherwise users tend to make a decision about an application's usefulness to them within the first few moments of using it. Aesthetics play a major part in that decision."</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design2.jpg"> <em>The landing page for Bond's viral, social game, Spymaster.</em></p>

<h2>What web design trends have surfaced and dominated in 2009?</h2>

<p>"Huge typography seems to be popular this year," said Benedetto. "Usually, that goes hand-in-hand with some ultra-casual copywriting. 'Hi. We're Vacuums.com. We make things that suck. Kind of like your life.'  Stuff like that. Google Chrome crashes, and the error screen says, 'Aw, snap.'  There's a very nudge-nudge-wink-wink sensibility.  It can be friendly, fresh, and funny when done well, but often it just comes across as cliché."</p>

<p>Barrett said he's seen apps become smaller, simpler, and more streamlined - perhaps to be more mobile browser-friendly. "Simplicity is key so that the design can either work on both web and mobile devices or at least be consistent with the simple design of the mobile version."</p>

<p>Rundle noted the benefits of designing for the newer class of Internet browsers. "Although a large portion of audiences still use Internet Explorer, especially in corporate environments, designers aren't afraid to provide Safari, Firefox, and Opera users an enhanced design through the usage of CSS-based rounded corners, shadowed text, CSS gradients, box shadows, etc. I think giving savvy users a nicer design is a good idea and is also rewarding to web designers sick of dealing with all of IE's hassles."</p>

<p>Du Coudray had a few interesting words on the use of what he called "faux" elements. "With the risk of being quoted out-of-context saying, 'Grunge is dead,' I think that this particular trend has found its proper place. Intrinsic beauty in elements usually trumps any trends over time. That is to say, plastic will not try and be wood forever, but will eventually be used in ways which we find plastic beautiful. Maybe pixels will be the same - Who knows?"</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design4.jpg"> <em>A ring-designing app Barrett created for DeBeers.</em></p>

<h2>What elements of web app design should disappear forever?</h2>

<p>"Anything that was good about most trends has been suffocated by the mind-numbing sameness of them all," Benedetto summarized. That being said, he still sees value in the GetSatisfaction-style side tab, Digg-esque voting elements, and elegantly designed footers.</p>

<p>"The concept that enterprise software can't be elegant and beautiful needs to disappear forever," said Rundle. "<a href="http://mailchimp.com">Mailchimp</a> and <a href="http://www.getballpark.com/">Ballpark</a> are great examples of smaller SaaS companies with world-class interface design, and the folks designing enterprise software would be wise to learn from their examples."</p>

<p>Barrett spoke to the tendency to flood users with options rather than making decisive design choices. "I think a lot of apps try to be everything to everyone so they overload their interface with features to try to be as useful as possible. I appreciate clean and simple applications, even if it means that you have to direct the user more and limit their choices."</p>

<p>The all-Flash site is another annoyance among many web users and designers, Bond among them. "I'd love to see the 100% Flash site extinct as soon as possible," he said. "In the majority of cases where I've seen sites that are super Flash heavy, it's completely unnecessary. As mobile browsers begin to utilise more advanced rendering engines and mobile usage increases as a way to view the 'real' Internet (I'm looking at you, iPhone), Flash is becoming resource-intensive and restrictive."</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design5.jpg"> <em>An animated section of <a href="http://Vimeo.com">Vimeo.com</a>.</em></p>

<h2>What design elements are simply overused, and are there still good reasons to employ them?</h2>

<p>"The 'Rails' aesthetic," said Bond, "that classic 37signals app look... I've worked on a lot <br />
of Rails-based applications over the past year and I had one Flickr engineer tell me at a party, 'Hey, good job on making it look like it's not Rails, if you know what I mean.' That shouldn't happen. That's definitely the sign of a hackneyed aesthetic."</p>

<p>Benedetto echoes the same sentiment. While he claims to have mad respect for the 37signals folks, he also says he's weary of what he calls "The Cult of Basecamp" design aesthetic. He also has noticed recent overuse of the grass-dirt-sky and retro-wood-paneling looks.</p>

<p>And seconding Benedetto's comments on huge type, Rundle said, "People aren't blind; you don't need 72-pixel links in Helvetica Bold to attract attention."</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design1.jpg"> <em>The much-copied 37signals look, as seen at <a href="http://37signals.com">37signals.com</a>.</em></p>

<h2>Do certain design elements signal to users - and investors and media - the scope, uses, and meaning of an application?</h2>

<p>"I think when Web 2.0 first exploded, that was definitely the case for the media," said Benedetto. "'Oh, it has a shiny, plastic logo?  And a reflection?  A badge?  AND IT'S IN BETA?!?  Eureka!  We found the next Google!'"</p>

<p>These days, he said, some signals still apply. "I think that the prevalence of Basecamp clones in the world of small business apps communicates a certain ethic of simplicity and elegance to users. That may or may not actually be the case once you start using the app, but there's definitely a signal in the design choices that says, 'This is going to be easy to use.'"</p>

<p>Rundle also feels that design will always send signals about meaning. "Web design takes cues from all forms of graphic design, especially logo and branding work where colors are extremely important. Blue hues indicate stability (large companies love blue: IBM, Ford, IKEA, etc.), and green means responsible and eco-friendly."</p>

<p>Sometimes, the most important design elements for usability are icons. "The character and tenor of the icons you use can immediately telegraph the nature of the application, who it is aimed at and how sophisticated it is meant to be," said Barrett.</p>

<p>Still, ultimately, said Bond, "No one element is going to be the key of successfully translating your application idea into something an investor or userbase will understand; instead, it's the PRODUCT design - the interplay of aesthetics and copy, interface complexity and perceived latency, core product concepts and functionality, everything intangible that defies any better description we file away under 'user experience,' that really can signal an application's purpose."</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design3.jpg"> <em>Lowdown's landing page.</em></p>

<h2>What's good advice for the team developing and designing The Next Big Web App?</h2>

<p>Noting that many developers are also doing graphic design for their applications, Barrett said, "One of the telling differences between an application design that is handled by a designer and one that is handled more by a development team is spacing. Developers don't usually think much about how element should sit on a screen together, so you see a lot of items crammed together or unevenly distributed. This is the kind of thing an average user can't put their finger on, but on a subconscious level, it bothers them and gives them a negative opinion of the application."</p>

<p>Bond cautions teams to always develop and design with the end user in mind. "Especially in Silicon Valley, where it's easy for entrepreneurs to isolate themselves in circles with like-minded techies and fellow entrepreneurs, I feel that a huge amount of startup CEOs and designers that I've talked to fall into the trap of tunnel vision: they have a grandiose idea of building a web application for the mainstream demographic but consistently make product decisions that appeal to their own interaction behaviour with such applications or what they think their friends will find cool. A lot of times this tunnel vision isn't even evident to them because their local frame of reference supports it. Building for geeks makes for great customer immersion if you're building something like (the wonderfully useful) GitHub, but that same process doesn't work so hot if you're building a site for middle-aged moms."</p>

<p>Rundle echoed this sentiment, saying, "The concept of thinking like a user is extremely important. You just have to understand what they're trying to accomplish and then match your design with those goals. Task-based design is especially important in web application design because people use your software to get things done, not to browse around and waste time. Simple things like having the most important function on a page be visually set off from everything else is a start. Grouping similar features together for enhanced comprehension. Being consistent with your interface design paradigms to breed familiarity."</p>

<p>"Know why you are building something and never shift your attention from that purpose," said du Coudray. "If there is not a central design problem to solve, the project will quickly dissolve into a series of individual problems with individual outcomes that are more related to the checking off of tasks then to a total solution."</p>

<p>"If your expertise is development, not design, <em>acknowledge that fact</em>," Benedetto cautioned. Most developers are smart enough to do html, css, and javascript ... so they do. But just knowing how to do it doesn't mean you're good at it. Design is communication, not decoration. Hire someone who understands that. How it looks can be a big factor in how it works. Use design as a means of communicating to your users what to do, where to click, and how to use your app."</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/web-app-design7.jpg"> <em>The playfully illustrated landing page Silverback, usability-testing software for web designers and develoeprs.</em></p>

<h2>Bonus round! What are your favorite colors and fonts for web design?</h2>

<p>Barrett, who cites a theme of simplicity lately, loves strong, bold colors and Helvetica.</p>

<p>Benedetto swears by basic black (classy!), and as for fonts, he said, "Bliss, Swiss, and Fago are all nice clean fonts that aren't Helvetica."</p>

<p>Rundle cites his perennial fondness for steel blue, Lucida Grande, and Myriad.</p>

<p>Bond has been playing with desaturated palettes and a reddish pink, and says his favorite typefaces include House Industries' Chalet and BP Foundry's SangBleu.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from sean on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <name>sean</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>+1 VERY useful :)</p>

<p>I wonder how interchangeable 'app' is with 'website' in this article... hmmm</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-08T21:18:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Warren Benedetto on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This quote is key: </p>

<p>"One of the telling differences between an application design that is handled by a designer and one that is handled more by a development team is spacing. Developers don't usually think much about how element should sit on a screen together, so you see a lot of items crammed together or unevenly distributed. This is the kind of thing an average user can't put their finger on, but on a subconscious level, it bothers them and gives them a negative opinion of the application."</p>

<p>I wish I had thought to bring this up. It's probably the single biggest mistake I see in developer-built interfaces. Drives me crazy.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-08T21:28:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Gambolio on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <name>Gambolio</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Some developers can design, or at least I like to think so: <a href="http://gambolio.com/#/library/" rel="nofollow">http://gambolio.com/#/library/</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-08T23:17:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Eliot Sykes on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <name>Eliot Sykes</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thank you Jolie and all of the contributors for this, it's come at just the right time for me. I'm a developer who wants to learn good design to use on a couple of personal projects that are ripe for redesign and these tips will be a great help.</p>

<p>One book on the topic I liked recently was Save The Pixel [1].  A chapter on design in the Non-designers Web Book was also helpful, it showed a few things about alignment and consistency I hadn't considered.</p>

<p>Are there any graphic design books the contributors would suggest?</p>

<p>Once I've got my redesigns done, I'm hoping to speed up my learning from feedback sites like Five Second Test [2] and Concept Feedback [3].</p>

<p>[1] <a href="http://savethepixel.org/" rel="nofollow">http://savethepixel.org/</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://fivesecondtest.com/" rel="nofollow">http://fivesecondtest.com/</a><br />
[3] <a href="http://www.conceptfeedback.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.conceptfeedback.com/</a><br />
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    <published>2009-09-08T23:19:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Edward on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <name>Edward</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How extremely reassuring and useful!<br />
I've been developing a site that very much focuses on design + experience.<br />
<a href="http://www.kohive.com/#rww" rel="nofollow">http://www.kohive.com/#rww</a><br />
Video demo here: <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/5844043" rel="nofollow">http://www.vimeo.com/5844043</a></p>

<p>And to Eliot. Try a book called "Don't make me think" it's the best starting guide for usability.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-09T01:02:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jiekma on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A very exciting website design will be more many splendours! It seems that I have to carefully design their own Web site has :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-09T03:49:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ron on 2009-09-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm really happy this article covered the tunnel vision (or what I call "Valley Blinders") that comes with so much of the apps designed in incestuous world of web geeks.</p>

<p>One time I designed a site (that you've covered) with a team during the height of the Web 2.0 boom. The execs swore to me they wanted "Web 2.0, Web 2.0, WEB 2.0!" but it was a shopping site. And it became pretty apparent a few months in that their target audience was females, who were almost vomiting over the masterpiece my designers and I were painstakingly crafting as being "too shiny".</p>

<p>The site was torn down and rebuilt, but not without costing them a hefty fortune in VC cash and possibly spelling the demise of the biz.</p>

<p>Lesson learned KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE. Designers want to design for themselves but never can. So often in an effort to make things look cool the connection with the user (in terms of taste and usability) is lost.</p>

<p>And also "everything should be pretty design" is a fallacy. People generally only care about spacing and colors. The actual quality of the design only connotes to non-designer users the classiness of the product. Lexus is designed well to convey high-class. The Toyota Corolla is bland. One's expensive, the other's a people's car. Scions are for hip urbanites. There's a reason for it. Toyota knows their audience.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from pedro on 2009-09-09</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Interesting discussion, hopefully will raise awareness of the importance of design among tech people, most seem to think a designer is merely "someone who makes things look good in photoshop" and fail to realise how design creates value and plays a huge role in helping define a software product.</p>

<p>Would be good to emphasise distinctions between graphic design and interaction / user experience design, which sometimes appear fusioned under the "designer" moniker but are distinct roles.</p>

<p>Knowing a few rockstar print-based graphic designers, I can also tell you their opinion of the quality of web / app graphic design is really low.</p>

<p>Round corners, reflections, gradients, shadows, and the 2.0 look all fall under the banner of "default thinking", overly homogenous to have an original identity; and arguably the reason why most web 2.0 apps or sites look and feel the same, no wonder people struggle to remember them... zero personality!</p>

<p>I'm guilty as anybody else of using them ocasionally, just thought I should mention. Thanks for reminding me anyway, nice post.<br />
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    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T09:25:13Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156792</id>
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    <title>Comment from LEADSExplorer.com on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>LEADSExplorer.com</name>
        <uri>http://www.leadsexplorer.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.leadsexplorer.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of info in the article.<br />
- Space<br />
- Only a few messages (very difficult)</p>

<p>People decide within a few seconds if they will proceed with viewing a website. Maybe that's why <a href="http://fivesecondtest.com" rel="nofollow">http://fivesecondtest.com</a>  (FiveSecondTest) is a good simple test. <br />
It's not perfect. It's not complete.<br />
But it gives a first indication between 'fail' and 'good'.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T14:39:10Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156796</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Templeton on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mike Templeton</name>
        <uri>http://techsentry.org</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://techsentry.org">
        <![CDATA[<p>Love the comment about realizing what your strongest abilities are and passing off the rest to capable hands.</p>

<p>"...just knowing how to do it doesn't mean you're good at it."</p>

<p>More people could learn from that quote.</p>

<p>I would agree that functionality is key to an app's success, but the aesthetics also have a huge impact. For example, MySpace might have been the best social networking site around for connecting with friends, but the overbearing profiles and flashing backgrounds pushed me away. I didn't enjoy the interface, so I didn't enjoy the service.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T15:04:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156805</id>
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    <title>Comment from Warren Benedetto on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Warren Benedetto</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@Mike, MySpace is the perfect example of a site succeeding in spite of the design, not because of it. I can't express the existential horror I feel every time I see a MySpace page -- and it was worse back when MySpace was the leader. </p>

<p>However, my gag reflex (and yours) did nothing to dissuade hundreds of millions of people from trafficking that site. It's very disheartening.</p>

<p>So why is Facebook now crushing MySpace? Its design is no winner either. Sure, it's very clean, but its also pretty drab. There are other social networks that look more aesthetically pleasing. </p>

<p>However, Facebook is very usable. They have put a lot of thought into how people use the site, and into how to make it easy to figure out what is really a VERY complex site. They don't always get it right, and even when they do, their users don't always realize it right away. But ultimately, their efforts towards user-friendly design is a lot of what separates them from MySpace (IMHO).</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T15:42:06Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156814</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rich Barrett on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rich Barrett</name>
        <uri>http://www.richbarrettdesign.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.richbarrettdesign.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Like I mentitoned in one of my answers, I think, in a way, the big sites like Facebook, Myspace, Craigslist, etc are exceptions to the rule. What they offer is so useful or essential that users will accept almost anything to use it. I think aesthetic design comes more into play with apps that require more of a decision whether or not to actually use it.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T16:24:04Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156816</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rich Barrett on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rich Barrett</name>
        <uri>http://www.richbarrettdesign.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.richbarrettdesign.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>By the way, this was great to read everyone's opinions here. It's a really interesting article. Glad to have been part of it.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T16:30:37Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156879</id>
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    <title>Comment from Joe Pemberton on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Joe Pemberton</name>
        <uri>http://punchcut.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://punchcut.com">
        <![CDATA[<p> "Bliss, Swiss, and Fago are all nice clean fonts that aren't Helvetica."</p>

<p>Nice, except Swiss = Helvetica.</p>

<p>Swiss is Bitstream's somewhat controversial cut of Helvetica. Users at Typophile created a chart so you can know your Bitstream equivalents: <a href="http://www.typophile.com/node/38526" rel="nofollow">http://www.typophile.com/node/38526</a> </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T23:06:33Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156882</id>
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    <title>Comment from Warren Benedetto on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Warren Benedetto</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>LOL!  I never knew that Swiss was identical to Helvetica.  I stand corrected. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-09T23:48:41Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156886</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ron on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ron</name>
        <uri>http://www.wherescool.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.wherescool.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@Warren - I would almost venture to say that MySpace's horrific design is the reason for its success. The "Tom" factor, playing it off like it was made by a guy in his living room, may have had more resonance than folks want to believe. The Myspace traffic numbers slipped slightly before they cleaned it up, but after the June 2008 redesign it was freefall. </p>

<p>I've read interviews with people at Zappos before talking about how they purposely keep the site looking like crap. </p>

<p>(To design like a teenager in 1997 using MS publisher is incredibly painful. I've yet to meet many who can pull it off. Its the ultimate challenge.)</p>

<p>Also watch the documentary film "Helvetica" afterwards you learn that most modern fonts are just different cuts of Helvetica. For any design geek its a must-see... <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847817/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847817/</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-10T00:23:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156887</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jolie O&apos;Dell on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jolie O&apos;Dell</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Just popping my head in to say that Helvetica, the film, ROCKS. Matthew Carter was particularly amazing in it! I want to be him when I grow up.  =)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-10T00:37:28Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156901</id>
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    <title>Comment from Defunkt on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Defunkt</name>
        <uri>http://www.defunkte.es</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.defunkte.es">
        <![CDATA[<p>Well written and timely post. There is definitely too much"sameness" out there and it is beginning to signify nothing. </p>

<p>Too many apps look cute and bubbly but the layout and design are virtually useless. </p>

<p>Time to get back to the basics of building solid apps first, great design later!</p>

<p>DefunktOne</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-10T03:38:33Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156907</id>
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    <title>Comment from Warren Benedetto on 2009-09-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Warren Benedetto</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@Ron Yeah, it's very difficult for designers (at least the ones I know, myself included) to fathom how something looking bad could actually lend to its success. But I think that's absolutely true, as I mention in the article.</p>

<p>I have worked on hundreds of projects, many of which were embarrassingly bad design-wise -- either because someone else designed it poorly, or the client "art directed" it into the ground -- and it's almost a universal rule that the worst looking designs convert the best. Of course there are exceptions (i.e. luxury brands like Apple or Lexus, where the customer's discerning taste is a factor). But for the unwashed masses, there seems to be an appeal to the amateur aesthetic.</p>

<p>We did a ton of A/B testing with sample sizes of hundreds of thousands of impressions, and an ad that is nothing but lime-green text on black would convert better than the most beautifully designed images. We never could pinpoint why, though quick load time could have been a factor. (This was in the context of ads, not websites)</p>

<p>Regarding HELVETICA, I have had a copy of it on my desktop for like two years now, and haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Maybe someday when I'm not working 100 hours a week. :-)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-10T03:52:02Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:156981</id>
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    <title>Comment from Amit on 2009-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Amit</name>
        <uri>http://www.gomolo.in</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.gomolo.in">
        <![CDATA[<p>Good stuff! one thing i think is somewhat missed out is the influence of culture and local demographics that significantly impact the design.</p>

<p>[btw, on firefox, using the TAB key on the URL field above makes the page jump to the top; had to scroll down all the way to the bottom :)]</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-10T12:17:05Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:157041</id>
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    <title>Comment from Morning Toast on 2009-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Morning Toast</name>
        <uri>http://www.morningtoast.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.morningtoast.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The overly-huge font sizes and "37 Signals Style" is how sites with little content fill a page. But that's not to say the style doesn't work.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-10T21:12:11Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:157723</id>
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    <title>Comment from web application development on 2009-09-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>web application development</name>
        <uri>http://www.branditsolutions.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.branditsolutions.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The preliminary step is aim to maintain the site simple, understandable and translucent to attract visitors going in to your page  and so bringing them closer to buying a product.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-15T03:17:23Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:159039</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ryan on 2009-09-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ryan</name>
        <uri>http://www.tripit.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.tripit.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, but why is the debeers article in a piece about startups?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-23T02:23:12Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009:/readwritestart//7.16312-comment:160194</id>
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    <title>Comment from Web design London on 2009-09-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Web design London</name>
        <uri>http://www.neotericuk.co.uk/web-design-london.php</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.neotericuk.co.uk/web-design-london.php">
        <![CDATA[<p>Good post i think if navigation is simple as well as good and web page have nicely formatted relevant content should be the target.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-09-29T09:52:01Z</published>
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