radian6 - ReadWriteWeb http://www.readwriteweb.com/feeds/tag/radian6 en Copyright 2012 Richard MacManus readwriteweb@gmail.com Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:17:22 -0800 http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/?v=4.35-en http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Top 10 Enterprise Cloud Apps and Services of 2011 BestOf2011.pngIt seems like just like summer, Bill Murray used to sing, and that's because it was. This year, for the first time, ReadWriteWeb expanded its coverage of the technologies that change our world through the Web, with new emphasis on cloud-based services to consumers and cloud technologies for businesses. Cloud services are more than just hosts for apps. They're resources that you can provision for your changing needs, and which you can scale up or down as necessary.

Certainly 2011 was dramatically different from 2010 for businesses for one critical reason: In a very short time, suddenly true scalability for every IT service appeared within their reach. A market that was almost non-existent by the end of last year, has grown past what many analysts would consider the point of adolescence, with the shakeout subsiding and brand dropouts declining. Someone should remind these cloud service folks there's a recession going on.

]]> For ReadWriteWeb's first list of top choices in enterprise cloud services, we took a cue from one of our winners and evaluated the social data stream, to see which services you talked about - and which ones got the favorable tweets, especially for customer service. Hosting companies aren't covered on this list, even if they're cloud host providers, unless they offer some form of value-add that makes their service more useful to a targeted class of customers.

Not every candidate for this list offers its own cloud platform; we considered services that are offered on others' cloud platforms. And we considered the platforms on which they're offered, too, if they presented a value-add that made them unique. Beta services were not eligible; we stuck with general availability only.


10. Xeround. This service, which premiered in late 2010, quite easily (judging from customers' comments) deploys new or existing MySQL databases on cloud platforms such as Amazon EC2, Rackspace, and Heroku. Rather than just shoving off databases into the cloud space, Xeround manages storage on the back end with built-in scalability.

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The back-end storage, whose configuration is kept transparent from the user, is managed by a homegrown system that scales itself by means of virtual partitioning as opposed to sharding. Each partition is maintained on independent nodes using shared-nothing architecture (meaning, no single point of failure leads to cascading node elimination). Your database application never sees the partitioning take place, and isn't even involved; and scaling takes place with the goal of zero downtime - which thus far appears to have been achieved.

Usually a company's own predictions for the coming year are rather self-serving, so Xeround's #1 event for 2012 may come as something of a shock: "The Cloud will disappear," writes Xeround's Itamar Haber, "not in the sense that it will be gone (far from it) but rather in that that it will become all-encompassing and omnipresent. We will no longer see The Cloud as a trend or even an alternate model for using compute resources - it will become transparent as it will be the de facto default means of choice for nearly all IT-backed projects across industry sectors." I guess that makes this the last year for this Top 10 list as well, eh?


9. Bime might not have qualified as a cloud service per se, except for the clever way it serves as storage for business intelligence. It's not a particularly sophisticated data store, but it doesn't have to be for its main purpose: visualizing and analyzing data from large databases. Many businesses used to rely on exporting data to Excel for this purpose, in what often became one of the clumsier exercises in database versioning.

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Bime Analytics makes itself visible to the world through interesting, if often fairly trivial, sample renderings of data that's fascinating to someone. My daughter, for example, will find interesting this "data cloud"-style subdivision (above) of the various villains that appeared in Doctor Who, organized by relative area in proportion with their appearances throughout the entire franchise history, and organized in blocks by the year of their first episode. It's an example of the Bime visualization engine putting itself through its paces using innocuous data (though I gather the Sontarans could start a cosmic war to avoid being sublimated by the Cybermen).

Essentially, Bime is a data visualization firm, which ordinarily would render it just an app. What makes Bime's business model not only cloud-centric but also more viable are two things: 1) If you're going to visualize your own data, you need a way to get it into the system. So Bime can afford to charge a premium for storage ($60/month for the first gigabyte, $120/month for up to 10 GB) since what you'll really be using it for anyway is visualization. Imagine paying $60 a month for something that only billed itself as a graphics app. 2) As my friend and colleague Pam Baker showed us last August, Bime offers an API for developers to build their own apps that utilize the visualization functionality, that in turn uses the data you're paying Bime a premium to store for you. It is an excellent business concept, and a way to use cloud resources to twist an otherwise point-and-shoot SaaS app into a viable business.


8. Okta. Almost four years ago, this service was founded with the notion of providing identity federation for a handful of familiar SaaS apps like Google Apps and online services like Facebook. Well, Facebook wants to be a major player in the identity game in its own right. Besides, simply federating single-sign-on access to an expanding list of players isn't an exciting business model when that number of players begins to dwindle.

So earlier this year, as David Strom told you in August, Okta put a new cloud-style spin on its service: In adding a new layer of Active Directory integration, it made itself into a kind of all-purpose AD app. Your single sign-on takes place through this app, rather than through some complex federation service on-premise. And because all the users in a business are checking in through one place, Okta becomes the dashboard for delegating privileges and permissions to those users. Through Active Directory, the same password that enables users to enter the network in the first place, logs them onto Okta as well.

Last year at this time, developers and administrators alike were in a quandary over how to manage the identities that users must assume in order to access multiple applications, both on-premise and through the cloud. Okta is not yet the total solution to this problem, but the fact that it has taken a serious bite out of the problem in so short a time points to the possibility of a cloud-based solution to the broader identity management problem.

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111220 Top 10 Ent Cloud Apps 03.jpg7. PubNub. One of the hilarious fallacies of "walled garden" service architectures is the illusion of exclusivity. By making users sign an agreement explaining exactly how they must use their services, complete with terms of use, carriers and service providers are betting that they'll presume they can't find some way to utilize the same (or better) functions some other way.

PubNub is clearly a different way, and the service it provides is one that many users may have thought they were prohibited from doing themselves: self-service push notification. If you're building an app that needs the capability to alert the user, through his operating system (PC or smartphone), PubNub provides you with a pair of dirt-simple API calls. You implement one in the app that will be listening to your PubNub channel for alerts - this is the subscribe part of the operation. The other for the server side, simply to send text alerts through that channel. For the most part, save for a half-page of syntax, that is the instruction manual.

Through the pay-as-you-go scheme, users pay 1/100 of one cent for each alert sent or received. Of course, with fully deployed apps on a global scale, you could be racking up charges fairly quickly, so alternately PubNub offers paid-in-advance service tiers beginning at $129.99 per month for 1 million alerts per day. The service is so straightforward that it's now being used for active notifications for real-time gaming, as well as for quick-and-dirty chat rooms.


SendGrid (150 sq).jpg6. SendGrid. Though Salesforce's Marc Benioff has publicly proclaimed e-mail "dead" (along with Microsoft and something he calls "the false cloud," which bears a curiously red tint to it), e-mail is actually far from dead. If you look at the colossal size of my own inbox, you might proclaim it "resting," but it's not dead.

SendGrid (a frequent sponsor of ReadWriteWeb) is an e-mail distribution service for individuals and companies that utilizes a cloud pricing model, with the idea that you're paying for outgoing bandwidth (measured in messages sent). Its value-add is that it sends marketing e-mails systematically, in a deliberate effort to avoid being tagged by e-mail services as a spammer. It calls its strategy "IP address warming," where all addresses start cold and work their way gradually towards sending higher volumes, as servers establish reputations for them. So while SendGrid's pricing is based on scale, it actively encourages customers to start at the bottom, spacing out monthly distributions of newsletters throughout the month rather than all on the same day.

"Deliverability is a secret crisis facing any business that relies on e-mail communications," reads a recent SendGrid white paper (PDF available here). "Most companies don't think about deliverability until they have a major issue where thousands or in some cases millions of e-mails fail to arrive. People assume that an e-mail is delivered if they don't receive a bounce notification. The reality is very different: 20% of commercial e-mail sent never arrives as intended. If you're an online business you need to take steps today to increase the reliability of your e-mail communications."


5. Twilio. As many of our long-time readers are well aware, Twilio is essentially a telecommunications back end whose API functions may be called by any app. It's like a chassis for Skype without the baggage of Skype. Granted, Twilio has been growing at a steady pace. But last July, it added what history may record as its breakthrough feature: a JavaScript SDK. This makes a Twilio client available directly from a Web browser, so you can have direct phone communications inside your browser app, as well as your stand-alone app.

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From here, the service started building an ecosystem - which may have just become the necessary ingredient for any cloud service to be competitive going into 2012. In Twilio's case, as Dan Rowinski reported in September, the service announced it's partnering with venture capitalists to fund the development and deployment of an entire community of apps that just happen to communicate over Twilio's platform. As Rowinski wrote, "By moving communications to the cloud and providing pay-as-you-go billing that does not hang over the developer's head, Twilio has a chance to grow rapidly in both the consumer app development community and the enterprise."

As private developer Patrick McKenzie recently put it, "I think Twilio is, far and away, the most exciting technology I've ever worked with... Smartphones aren't smart because of anything on the phones themselves, they're smart because they speak HTTP and thus get always-on access to a universe of applications which are improving constantly. Twilio radically reduces the amount of hardware support a phone needs to speak HTTP - it retroactively upgrades every phone in the world to do so. After that, all you need is the application logic."


MongoHQ logo (150 sq).jpg4. MongoHQ. In politics of late, when left with few or no other options to slam an opponent, the one way to make a charge stick is to make it so ludicrous or so audacious that folks will conclude it has to be true to have been made in the first place. (For more, see "Kerry, Sen. John.") So you have to wonder how it is that MongoDB made the news recently for having been the subject of a hugely popular discussion thread (to use the phrase loosely) on Hacker News. Here is the lead post for that thread, in its entirety: "Don't use MongoDB." (A lot of research done there.)

Our Joe Brockmeier looked into the matter, and found direct evidence of substance somewhat lacking. MongoDB, by the way, is a scalable data store for loosely structured (as opposed to unstructured) data using MySQL. MongoHQ, which made our list this year, is effectively the monetization engine for MongoDB, making the database platform accessible to literally anyone on self-service terms.

As a developer, you only pay for MongoHQ once your storage size scales up to 256 MB - meaning, once your database becomes legitimately used by others. Large database instances are served up at $49 for 5 GB, although for high availability, apps developers may choose instead to pay $149 per month for a replica set, which includes full failover.

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3. Radian6. Back in 2009, RWW's Marshall Kirkpatrick examined Radian6 for the first time - a kind of social media dashboard offering live heuristics for the instances that certain terms (especially brand names) get mentioned on social services like Twitter. At the time, it looked like an interesting curiosity, especially for people whose hobbies are to "keep score at home." What was it really for? A Radian6 product manager told Marshall that the direction for the product was "adding CRM."

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Maybe someone at Salesforce.com was using Radian6 at that very moment. Though it might not have seemed so at the time, Salesforce's acquisition of Radian6 ended up being one of the most important enterprise news stories of the year. If anyone has proven it knows how to avoid burying an acquired product under the rug, it's Salesforce. Now the product has become a genuine platform, with apps being built around it and distributed on Salesforce App Exchange.

Now, Radian6 is more than just a dashboard for the curious. Social marketing specialists can utilize the tool to alert them when online chatter around a certain topic has reached a critical threshold. It can trigger actions en masse, such as couponing individuals who seed positive comments on a product. And its instantaneous demographics that align tweeters and Facebook users with their respective market segments, has already crossed the borderline into scary territory.


Hortonworks logo (new, 150 sq).jpg2. Hortonworks Hadoop. It wasn't quite two years ago when Hadoop was essentially a side project at Yahoo, incorporating some code from a side project at Google. Today (although it's a terribly mixed metaphor) the Hadoop elephant has leap-frogged over high-availability database projects at Oracle and Microsoft to become the de facto solution for hosting big data in parallel.

It gets confusing when an open source project is stewarded by more than one commercial provider, as our Joe Brockmeier reported in October. The Yahoo engineers largely responsible for its creation have formed Hortonworks, and it is they who launched the Hadoop cloud platform in November. Now, with the assistance of commercial partners such as Informatica, developers can deploy extraordinarily large data sets in a cloud configuration with high reliability - much more reliable than the hardware it runs on.

"Hadoop was built from the bottom up to be built on very low-cost commodity hardware," Hortonworks CEO Eric Baldeschweiler told RWW in October. "It's built with the assumption that the hardware it's running on will break, and that it must continue to work even if the hardware breaks." Which implies a lot, given that one of the other biggest enterprise cloud news stories of the year was Hortonworks' partnership with Microsoft to bring Hadoop into Windows Server, possibly as a role for System Center.


heroku-1.jpg1. Heroku. In little more than a year, the service that had been considered the pioneer platform-as-a-service, Microsoft Windows Azure, was left in the dust as an also-ran by yet another Salesforce acquisition.

Heroku quite literally tries to fill the large, and widening, void left over when computers stopped including built-in BASIC interpreters. Rather than presenting itself as a battery of stand-alone servers built for doing scheduled jobs on complex agendas, Heroku is a managed code interpreter for a growing bouquet of languages, some of which (like Clojure and Scala) are only just now entering the common vernacular. Such languages are clearly better suited for quick deployment of Web-based functionality than the dependency-heavy C++, C#, and Visual Basic which comprise the brunt of the .NET languages Microsoft supports in Azure.

What's more, the Heroku add-ons ecosystem is already in full bloom, even with support for apps and services like MongoHQ that utilize cloud platforms other than Heroku itself. Last October, Heroku CEO Byron Sebastian told me that his goal for the service is simply to enable developers to push code to the cloud using git push and have it run. There's no agenda for the promotion of any single language platform (including Ruby on Rails, on which the service was founded, and whose creator is now a Heroku employee). "We differentiate ourselves at the level of our cloud app platform, rather than at the level of languages and frameworks," Sebastian said, "because we believe that openness is an important principle in our industry. It's in our blood."

Well, the enterprise cloud is in our blood now, too. And at this rate, it will probably be in our bones and muscles before the end of 2012.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/top_10_enterprise_cloud_apps_and_services_of_2011.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/top_10_enterprise_cloud_apps_and_services_of_2011.php Best of 2011 Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:15:00 -0800 Scott M. Fulton, III
Radian6 Now Monitors Google Buzz radian_6_logo_feb09.jpgSocial Media monitoring service Radian6 just announced that it now offers support for Google Buzz. Given that Google Buzz already has more than 9 million users after less than one week on the market, it only makes sense for the large social media monitoring and analytics services to offer their clients the ability to monitor and react to conversations on this new platform. Radian6 currently covers about 4.5 million Google profiles and is expanding its index rapidly.

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ReadWriteWeb's full coverage and analysis of Google Buzz:

Public Buzz Messages Only

To filter out noise, the company has decided to only index public messages that users post directly to Buzz. Radian6 won't index re-posted items for Twitter or blogs, which makes sense, given that the company is already monitoring these items on Twitter and through RSS anyway. Interestingly, the company has decided to classify Buzz updates as blog posts. According to Radian6's founder and CTO Chris Newton, Buzz updates closely resemble blog posts, as they support " long-form commentary and threaded comments."

Buzz doesn't restrict users to Twitter's 140-character limit, so this looks like a sensible solution, though it seems rather early to assume that Buzz's users will want to use the service to post long-form content.

More Companies Integrate Buzz: Viralheat and Sendible - Sysomos Coming Soon

Earlier today, social media metrics platform Viralheat also announced support for Google Buzz. Just like Radian6, Viralheat will monitor conversations on Buzz. Social media monitoring and analytics firm Sysomos also just told us that it is working on integrating Buzz as well.

Another company that just announced support for Buzz is Sendible, which allows companies to run social media, SMS and email campaigns and track the online response to these updates.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/radian6_viralheat_google_buzz_social_media_monitoring.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/radian6_viralheat_google_buzz_social_media_monitoring.php News Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:58:42 -0800 Frederic Lardinois
How FriendFeed Could Become the Ultimate Social Media Tracking Service FriendFeed, the multi-network activity aggregator co-founded by Gmail creator Paul Buchheit, announced today that it has entered the crowded field of real time search. FriendFeed was already the best way to learn what early adopter social media users were saying about any topic across blogs, Twitter, delicious and other diverse social media sites. If FriendFeed wants to step it up to the next level and challenge business-class conversation trackers, we believe there are four steps the company needs to take.

We think that would make a whole lot of sense. In fact we think that if real time search were turned into a business tool it could challenge social media monitoring services like Radian6, Scout Labs and Sysomos. Here's what we think needs to happen in order for that to become a possibility.

]]> We already use FriendFeed to keep track of who quietly touches our blog posts out around the web. For example, our recent post Google Updates Blog Search - Where's The Innovation hasn't gotten any comments yet - but FriendFeed shows us that leading marketing blogger Andy Beal shared it with his network on Google Reader. That's good to know.

We think FriendFeed could offer some of the most sophisticated social media conversation tracking on the web, if it just took a few steps in particular.

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Broaden the Index Beyond Opt-In

Right now FriendFeed tracks what users say and do across more than 40 different social media sites and any RSS feeds (like blog feeds) that users input as part of their profiles. It's a great way to track people and topics on networks you yourself don't participate in.

Because FriendFeed is such a high-profile startup, many people have set up accounts just to try it and have their activities pulled into the site automatically even though they no longer use FriendFeed itself. That adds to the richness of the site's search function.

If FriendFeed wants to offer full-service conversation tracking, though, it is going to need to go beyond the early-adopter crowd that has opted in to having their activities imported into the site. FriendFeed is going to need to proactively discover and import feeds from users of Twitter, Delicious, SlideShare, BrightKite, etc., and bloggers who have not set up FriendFeed accounts. This will increase the usefulness of the site's search function by an order of magnitude.

That's no small task! Many startups have tried to do social-media-wide search in the past but few can achieve the scale and speed needed to pull it off well. Two things make us think FriendFeed can do it. First, who better than the creator of Gmail to achieve new heights in rapid, scalable information delivery? Buchheit isn't the only former Googler on the team, either. Second, FriendFeed has been engineered from the start to import massive amounts of data. A number of the streams FriendFeed pulls in aren't even from RSS feeds as you'd expect; the company's co-founders told ReadWriteWeb in an early interview that they import from a wide variety of Application Programming Interfaces (APIs) beyond RSS.

Spam Control

Right now there's a fair amount of spam on FriendFeed and we imagine it's only going to get worse. There's also a lot of people who use the service as their RSS reader - so blog posts and search results show up in your search results even though no one has touched them.

This wouldn't be a difficult problem to solve. FriendFeed is just a few steps away already from allowing searchers to query all sources other than manually imported RSS feeds except when a feed item has one or more comments or "likes" added by a user.

Apply Business Savvy

There are all kinds of ways that FriendFeed could become more business savvy. One way we would suggest is through making more use of LinkedIn.

FriendFeed users have been able to associate their LinkedIn profiles with their FriendFeed accounts since the start of the service, and job changes used to be displayed right along with Tweets and other online activity. It was great. Unfortunately, LinkedIn knows what a pot of gold it sits on and took the noxious step of cutting off these kinds of importing functions by obscuring the HTML on its profile pages. FriendFeed was scraping those pages for changes and it was a great service for everyone. It was pure folly by LinkedIn; it wasn't specifically targeting FriendFeed, but as a result FriendFeed users no longer see when their friends change jobs and so no longer click through to LinkedIn to learn more.

Fortunately FriendFeed hasn't removed LinkedIn as a field that can be viewed by users; it just doesn't update anymore. When you see that someone has said something in your search stream, you can often click through to their LinkedIn profile to see what they do for a living and what their job title is. FriendFeed could display job titles by default on a business version of FriendFeed if LinkedIn was more agreeable, or FriendFeed could look to the much friendlier and social media-savvy Google Profiles instead.

Knowing the job titles of people who have bookmarked your web page in Delicious or shared it in Google Reader would be really valuable.

Some other business-oriented rules, like alerts when certain discussion thresholds have been reached, would go a long way too.

Bring Back Aggregate Analysis

When FriendFeed launched, it offered some great data visualization, showing you the users whose content you "liked" the most and who "liked" your content the most. It showed in a pie chart which services most of your content came in through.

Unfortunately, in a recent redesign aimed to make the service more mainstream-user friendly, those visualizations were eliminated.

Bring that and more back and you've got a viable competitor for services that businesses pay hundreds or thousands of dollars a year for. Add some sentiment analysis, made easier by FriendFeed's "like" feedback function, and you've got a really desirable product.

Will FriendFeed take these steps though? That depends on whether it continues its Quixotic quest to capture more everyday consumer users for a cross-network, real-time conversation aggregator (!) or finds audiences that appreciate its value and starts building out features that they will pay for.

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_friendfeed_could_become_the_ultimate_social_me.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_friendfeed_could_become_the_ultimate_social_me.php NYT Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:25:30 -0800 Marshall Kirkpatrick
The Future of Social Media Monitoring Ten years ago the ClueTrain manifesto said that "markets are conversations" but today a more pertinent statement could be that conversations are becoming markets - or that there's a market for monitoring conversations. A whole class of technologies are emerging to help companies keep track of the conversations exploding online.

The web moves fast enough that we may as well start looking at what comes next. Easy to use and affordable tools like Radian6 and ScoutLabs that track blog and twitter mentions are a given - but what kinds of crazy innovations can we hope for in the future?

]]> To be sure some of the future will be frighteningly intrusive and creepy; we've argued that the present state of the art in social media monitoring already is. As lovers of technology, though, we're also excited to see what companies like this enable in the future. If web 2.0 was all about democratizing publishing, then the next stage of the web may well be based on democratizing data mining of all that content that's getting published.

Here's what we're thinking that might look like. We base these predictions in part on a conversation with Chris Golda of social media discussion search engine Backtype. Backtype is used under the hood at Radian6 and the company just announced a new partnership with Filterbox today. For an in-depth look at some of these kinds of services, see Social Media Monitoring Grudge Match: Radian6 vs. Scout Labs by Jason Falls. In house we use FriendFeed search a lot.

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None of our predictions for the future are terribly shocking; to some degree they are just further developments of the same core value propositions these services already focus on. Hopefully this discussion will help spur some original thinking on your part, readers, and you can throw some suggestions for the future of the industry out in comments.

More Sources, Especially Facebook

The most obvious place for social media monitoring tools to go next is into Facebook. Twitter is the primary target for analysis right now because it's wide open and programmatically accessible. It's also 10% the size of Facebook. We're not sure whether Facebook is going to open up further or if monitoring tools are going to find a way to get around the fundamentally closed nature of the site to at least sample the conversations going on there. Can you imagine a monitoring company paying a wildly popular Facebook user to open up access to their newsfeed to monitoring? We can; it's a surprise that it's not already happening.

There's also a lot of multimedia to monitor, including television and radio content that is increasingly easy to find online. We expect that speech-to-text search services like Everyzing will find a place in the social media monitoring technology toolkit in the near future.

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Source Analysis

Backtype's Chris Golda says that his company is working on more sophisticated analysis of participants in discovered conversations. If Robert Scoble says something bad about your company in comments, that's probably going to go further than if someone with a relatively small circle of connections does.

This is something that all the monitoring companies do now but it's relatively crude. We can imagine a much more sophisticated analysis. For every person online - primary circles of friends, semantic analysis of areas of interest and personal background information are all readily available in tools like Mailana, Twazzup, Calais (disclosure: RWW sponsor) and Headup. Imagine that information served up in an interface like Apture, but for every person and conversation on the web.

This is the kind of thing that data portability makes easier - when people travel around the web with their profiles and data with them, they are easier to get to know in a hurry. That's true for both the technologies that would serve up personalized content and the companies that would monitor what we do.

Conversation Discovery

If it's all about "joining the conversation," one of the biggest challenges for organizations jumping into social media is finding and prioritizing all the conversations available. Golda says that Backtype is working on becoming "like Compete for communities." Postrank is doing something like this already; it's discovering the most "engaging" blogs on a wide variety of topics. It's still ridiculously difficult to identify the most important sites of conversation on a given topic though. That's a problem ripe for solving.

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We'd also like to see some real-time threshold monitoring. Let me know the moment that conversation about me or a given topic hits a certain level of intensity.

Those are some of the things we expect to see come to the world of social media monitoring in the near future. What else do you expect - or what would you really like to see?

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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/whats_next_in_social_media_monitoring.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/whats_next_in_social_media_monitoring.php Analysis Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:56:14 -0800 Marshall Kirkpatrick